The Demise of Apple-labelled Foxconn Devices

Referencing: http://techrights.org/2011/09/08/apple-imports-at-risk

Roy starts with this quote:

“We’ve always been shameless about stealing great ideas.” — Steve Jobs

Three problems with this.

  1. This quote is from 1996 and Roy tries to tie it to recent events as though Jobs was speaking of that context. That is somewhat silly. Still, it can be fair to use a person’s past words and compare them to their current claims. So this is only a minor problem. Maybe even just a nit.
  2. Roy completely takes the quote out of context. Here is the interview where Jobs says this quote:

    We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas. And I think part of what made the Macintosh was that the people working on it were musicians and poets and artists and zoologists and historians who also happened to be the best computer scientists in the world.

    Jobs is not talking about stealing ideas from competitors; he is talking about taking ideas from many fields of human knowledge and using them to make the best products you can.

  3. Just a few days ago, in a public forum, Roy said:

One person’s leeching is another person’s inspiration. Why criminalise sharing of ideas?

An old quote. Not about what Roy wants it to be. And Roy’s complaints against it are completely hypocritical considering other things he has said even recently (no need to dig back to 1996 to find him being hypocritical!)

And then there is the very title of Roy’s post

The Demise of Apple-labelled Foxconn Devices

He says this as if Foxconn is the one who designs Apple devices – though there is no evidence of this I have ever seen.

Roy goes on to celebrate the suing of one company by another for patent infringement:

Not only has Android cruised past iOS within less than a year, but HTC is now suing Apple (the same company which has “always been shameless about stealing great ideas”) for patent violations.

HTC is a hero to do the same things that Apple is vilified for.

Once again Roy shows himself to be a complete hypocrite.

Avoid everything from those companies in order to make development, innovation, and progress a lot faster.

If Roy were not a hypocrite he would be calling for the banning of HTC products as well. Does anyone actually expect Roy to be consistent in his stances?

 

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4 Responses to The Demise of Apple-labelled Foxconn Devices

  1. timmeh says:

    -We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas. And I think part of what -made the Macintosh was that the people working on it were musicians and poets and -artists and zoologists and historians who also happened to be the best computer -scientists in the world.

    -Jobs is not talking about stealing ideas from competitors; he is talking about taking -ideas from many fields of human knowledge and using them to make the best -products you can.

    Uh, no… thats Steverino spouting his gospel of Jobs… how the Mac is ‘more than a computer’, it was created by artists and poets and little fairies and magical elfs who sprinkled golden dust and created them.
    Its the same BS that people buy into and then spout like a mantra.
    Its selling the illusion that by buying a product you are a better person because it was a created by higher beings for a better world.
    Instead of Gus, the bald C developer and Ernie the astmatic, coke bottled engineer working on computer tech, the imagery is pure J. Peterman meant to evoke positive imagery that is then associated with the product.

    >he is talking about taking ideas from many fields of
    >human knowledge and using them to make the best products you can.

    It would be nice if you could read engrish.
    He is NOT saying that. he is saying that the developers who worked at Apple were ALSO poets and artists and historians.
    The giveaway? These three words: “….who also happened”.

    Nothing like giving someone crap for misrepresenting something and doing the same.

    This was nothing more than Steve saying that our developers arent pasty skinned geeks but a superior breed of technologists who have outside interests.
    Pure unadultered BS.
    I worked in marketing for 15yrs, so Im rather fluent in that language.

    • Snit says:

      At the start of every technological revolution, the tools made are largely focused on the new technology. Only later does art and usability become a huge focus. Jobs, more than anyone else in the industry, is the one who pushed the current revolution to look at more than just the tech. You not only seem to disagree that Jobs did this, which is fine, but also seem to miss the point about the artistry, which is a bit sad… it means you completely miss the point Jobs is making.

      Then again, those that are ahead of the industry are often misunderstood. Clearly many do understand a lot of what Jobs did… you are just not one of those people.

  2. plasmaborne says:

    Steve Jobs stole the idea for the GUI and mouse device from Xerox. Nuff said.

    PS

    I own a macbook, an iPad 2 and an Apple TV so I don’t hate Apple. I just don’t think Steve Jobs is Jesus or that Apple is God. ;)

    • Snit says:

      I would love to see your support that Apple stole what you claimed. Bottom line: they did not. They purchased the rights to see what Xerox was working on, recognized the incredible value of it (something Xerox had failed to do) and then made massive improvements on it (such as background windows automatically redrawing, icons being nouns, double clicking, and much more). Apple brought what we see as the modern desktop to the world – and the innovated a large part of it.

      To accept this does not imply that Steve Jobs is Jesus or Apple is God… just as accepting that the GPL is an amazing license that has benefitted the software world means one has to have any respect for the utterly repulsive man (Stallman) who was behind it.

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